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Making your own reed wax

Linseed oil is highly flammable, so must be handled with care. My mentor said that they accordion repairmen in the NY/NJ area back in the golden age would use whatever type of oil was handy.
I was under the impression that linseed oil was combustible and not flammable. I know that linseed oil, like many other oils (teak, tung, etc). will spontaneously combust if rags soaked with it are left lying around. The drying of the oil is an exothermic chemical action and if rags are wadded up and left in a pile, they may concentrate the heat and catch fire. Boiled linseed oil makes a good hard finish on wood and dries faster than the raw stuff, thus will release that heat faster. It has been used safely in paints for years.
 
Linseed oil is highly flammable, so must be handled with care. My mentor said that they accordion repairmen in the NY/NJ area back in the golden age would use whatever type of oil was handy.
Most oils by nature are flammable. linseed oil has some specific properties that make it suitable for this job. It reacts with oxygen to form a sort of plastic like substance (linoleum). The older bellows tape was also made with fabric coated with a linseed oil product.
The only danger with linseed oil is that if it is left on a saturated rag ,the large surface area causes rapid oxidation and since the process generates heat this can cause a fire.
 
Most oils by nature are flammable. linseed oil has some specific properties that make it suitable for this job. It reacts with oxygen to form a sort of plastic like substance (linoleum). The older bellows tape was also made with fabric coated with a linseed oil product.
The only danger with linseed oil is that if it is left on a saturated rag ,the large surface area causes rapid oxidation and since the process generates heat this can cause a fire.
Thank you, Kimric. I knew there was an issue of that sort with linseed oil, but I couldn't remember exactly what it was.
 
I dunno, guys.šŸ¤”
I've heard this story about linseed oil being spontaneously combustible but, having a long acquaintance with it, have come to look on the story as a furphy*.šŸ™‚
I think it's become established as a consequence of much repetition!šŸ˜„
I remember, what must once have been a misprint in an edition of "Mrs Beeton's Cookbook" being religiously perpetuated thereafter in a number of lesser cookbooks: " boil your Christmas Pudding for 6 1/2 hours!"
If you do actually try this, you will discover the amazing fact that you can actually, totally char (burn to a crisp) the pudding with just plain boiling water!šŸ˜„
Who knew?šŸ¤”
Furphy, see here:
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"t'were christmas day in't trenches, in spain in peninsular war...........17 verses later ..........That's why Grenadiers wear to this moment, A badge which they think's a grenade. But they're wrong... it's a brass reproduction Of the pudding Sam's mother once made.........
 
I would think so. Don't know if it would actually get moldy or not - just seemed more likely than with Linseed oil either raw or boiled
If your Olive oil goes mouldy, it is contaminated.
I'll admit to not knowing much at all about the waxes, a worry I'd have concerning olive oil is its state change, (congealing I guess?), when it gets cold? Maybe the mixture eliminates that concern?
 
Most oils by nature are flammable. linseed oil has some specific properties that make it suitable for this job. It reacts with oxygen to form a sort of plastic like substance (linoleum). The older bellows tape was also made with fabric coated with a linseed oil product.
The only danger with linseed oil is that if it is left on a saturated rag ,the large surface area causes rapid oxidation and since the process generates heat this can cause a fire.
It's an interesting oil. I've some old wooden furniture that sits outside, and is perfectly fine doing that, even in Oregon, provided it gets a coating of linseed oil yearly to maintain a polymer sort of layer on the wood.
 
I use Linseed oil for preserving so many things. The best is the "Raw" Linseed oil (it's getting harder to buy) if you can withstand the long drying time. Boiled Linseed oil (that will dry faster is also good). Realize, that anything you apply it to will darken over time. I use it on the concrete chimney caps of my house. There is nothing better -- however, my chimney caps are now black -- that's O.K. by me -- they are now 30 years old and in perfect condition. The original chimney caps lasted 10 years.

Linseed oil would be the best to preserve your concrete driveway from spalling/deteriorating from the salt, weather, etc. The big problem would be your concrete would turn Black over time.
 
Re: spontaneous combustion of oily rags.

I have been working with wood and finishes since college in the late 1960s. The exothermic reaction of various oils and wood finishes is well documented from credible sources: researchers, fire departments, government sources, insurance companies, finish manufacturers, industrial companies, woodworking magazines/books, and woodworkers with personal experience. For example, browse through the results when you ask Sir Google about ā€˜combustion of rags soaked in wood finishā€™.

Lindseed oil is often discussed but many other finishing products are also hazardous including other oils (Tung, etc), stains, and finishes like Watco oil (a blend of oil, poly, and solvent). Cloth and paper towels used with these should be handled properly. Never throw them in the trash or wad up or pile pieces together. They are OK for a while but not for several hours or overnight. Polymerizing oil has an exothermic reaction while curing and some release more heat and faster due to treatment for quicker curing (drying). Oils like motor oil, hydraulic fluid, mineral oil, and such are not polymerizing.

Some people protect by soaking cloths/paper towels in a can of water. I generally apply finishes to small woodturnings with small pieces of cotton cloth (about 1ā€x2ā€) or 2x2ā€ pieces of paper towel and lay separated pieces flat to dry overnight on metal surfaces on the lathe - for example, over the tailstock, or take them outside and lay flat. I treat oil-soaked fine steel wool (0000) the same - I donā€™t know if it will spontaneously combust but fine steel wool (and steel dust) can easily be set on fire in other ways. (Always clean up fine accumulated steel dust that accumulates under a grinder, especially if you collect it with a strong magnet - one tiny spark is all it takes to ignite it - DAMHIKT). I never worry about small pieces of sandpaper used for wet sanding with oil.

BTW, Iā€™ve been told that most ā€œboiledā€ linseed oil is no longer boiled but chemically treated. I buy it by the gallon and use it around the farm for wood that stays outdoors - trailer beds, tool handles, barn doors, etc. I apply with a brush then clean the brush with solvent. I wish I could find it in 5-gallon cans. (It needs to reapplied every year or so)

BTW2 - for others who work with wood: Unused wood finishes in a can or bottle are notorious for going bad with age, usually skinning over, gelling up, even solidifying (TruOil marketed for gunstocks is the worst offender I know of, probably the reason they usually sell it in tiny bottles.) I understand this is due to oxidation from air in a opened can. I prevent this by displacing the air with a gas such as nitrogen or argon before recapping the can. This REALLY works - finishes stay ā€œfreshā€ for a bunch of years. I have one opened bottle of TruOil that is still good after about 10 years. I keep extra bottled gas cylinders on hand for my little welding shop and put one in my woodturning area.

JKJ
 
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. . . BTW, Iā€™ve been told that most ā€œboiledā€ linseed oil is no longer boiled but chemically treated. I buy it by the gallon and use it around the farm for wood that stays outdoors - trailer beds, tool handles, barn doors, etc. I apply with a brush then clean the brush with solvent. I wish I could find it in 5-gallon cans. (It needs to reapplied every year or so). . .
So, why don't you use RAW Linseed oil? I think it is better for outside weather protection, than the BOILED. The big disadvantage is that it takes forever to dry. For me that is not a problem -- concrete chimney caps, old wooden trailer, shed siding, etc.
 
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So, why don't you use RAW Linseed oil? I think it is better for outside weather protection, than the BOILED. The big disadvantage is that it takes forever to dry. For me that is not a problem -- concrete chimney caps, old wooden trailer, shed siding, etc.

I have not yet found a source. Do you know of one?

Iā€™ve bought AnchorSeal by the 55gal drum to control end-grain cracks when drying wood at the sawmill and for woodturning. Iā€™d be glad to find big cans or a drum of raw or treated linseed oil and have it shipped by truck. If I had a big quantity Iā€™d probably spray it on - I have lots of trailers with wood decks. Point me to a seller!

JKJ
 
I have not yet found a source. Do you know of one?

Iā€™ve bought AnchorSeal by the 55gal drum to control end-grain cracks when drying wood at the sawmill and for woodturning. Iā€™d be glad to find big cans or a drum of raw or treated linseed oil and have it shipped by truck. If I had a big quantity Iā€™d probably spray it on - I have lots of trailers with wood decks. Point me to a seller!

JKJ
You seem to know your way around wood and woodworking. I thought I might ask - I'll be getting a restored accordion next week, and while it has truly interesting capabilities (I'll post when it arrives) it's an odd size. How difficult would it be to make a decent carrying case for it? I've got a small table router and mitre saw but am no ones idea of a skilled carpenter.
 
You seem to know your way around wood and woodworking. I thought I might ask - I'll be getting a restored accordion next week, and while it has truly interesting capabilities (I'll post when it arrives) it's an odd size. How difficult would it be to make a decent carrying case for it? I've got a small table router and mitre saw but am no ones idea of a skilled carpenter.
There were some posts about 4 or 5 years or so ago about making an accordion case. I don't remember it other than that there was one. Might try to do a search for accordion cases.
 
There were some posts about 4 or 5 years or so ago about making an accordion case. I don't remember it other than that there was one. Might try to do a search for accordion cases.
Thanks! I'll take a look for it. Liberty Bellows has a bunch of old ones at good prices, but I'll call them on Monday to see if any of the like 60 cases they have would work. It's THAT odd.

Something like 16"x18"x11".

A four voice diatonic Irish BC, with a five voice 36 bass proto? mini? stradella. Essentially nothing like it exists except for this 1930s professional level model. (There are likely some early Jimmy Shand recordings made with one.) But it takes the fairly limited typical diatonic bass layout and makes it a lot more versatile. And the treble side is just a gorgeous LMMM.

Maybe I'll start a new thread on a case?
 
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I bought a gallon last week at a local hardware store.

Here's a link where you can buy it on line:


Thanks, I donā€™t think I was clear. Iā€™d really like to find 5-gal cans or a 55-gal drum of raw. The gal cans of ā€œboliedā€ linseed oil are fine for the small projects.

BTW, speaking of spraying finishes I once bought a plastic pump sprayer from Home Depot, opened it at home and found that some had bought it, used it for deck stain, then returned it without even cleaning it. HD told me people do that all the time, using HD as a free rental store. Dirtballs - I couldnā€™t live like thatā€¦
 
You seem to know your way around wood and woodworking. I thought I might ask - I'll be getting a restored accordion next week, and while it has truly interesting capabilities (I'll post when it arrives) it's an odd size. How difficult would it be to make a decent carrying case for it? I've got a small table router and mitre saw but am no ones idea of a skilled carpenter.
I donā€™t want to sound discouraging but making a quality hard case from wood could be a major project, depending on the tools and shop space you have and your level of skill and experience! I have a well-equipped 24x62ā€™ shop but would hesitate to build one myself.

One option is to hire this out to an experienced woodworker. We tend to buy hight-quality furniture pieces from a few local shops and even they sometimes order the best from Amish shops out of state.

Note that woodworking can be a quite dangerous process without training and experience. Wood dust can also be hazardous to the lungs without good dust collection and personal protection. I installed a $4000+ dust collection system and still wear a good P100 industrial respirator when working.

The machining and cutting is not difficult with the right equipment but for durability and stability (minimize warping) Iā€™d probably make all joints something other that simple butt joints. This may require at minimum a good shaper or router table and at best advanced joinery such as dovetails, finger joints, or splines/dowels/biscuits (for alignment). Always work with well-dried wood, kiln dried is best to avoid warping aa it dries. Pay good attention to the grain direction and understand that wood naturally changes dimensions with moisture changes. Seal the wood well to prevent it from warping with changes in seasons.

When acquiring wood itā€™s usually best to buy about 10% more than your design to allow for working around defects and surprises. Be careful of wood with warps - bows, twists, crooks, etc. I generally acquire wood thicker than I need, resaw it to thinner pieces on a big bandsaw, then plane it to thickness and smooth on my drum sander. Note that many boards have internal drying defects and stresses which may be released while processing.

If you want mahogany keep in mind that it is very expensive and some places out to make a buck will sell mahogany lookalikes. I keep on hand a huge supply of true Honduran mahogany, clear, dry, and stable purchased from a long-time friend and trusted wood dealer who stopped by here half way through a 12 hour trip and let me buy what I wanted from a large load - I mostly bought 10-12ā€™ long planks 2-3ā€ thick. What a blessing!

Other cheaper, lighter and still useful woods include but are not limited to eastern red cedar, yellow poplar. Note that the stability of many woods depends on how it is cut from the tree and how it is dried - something hard to judge unless you saw it yourself. (I have a sawmill behind my barn and learned a lot from years of sawing.) Note that MANY nice looking furniture, boxes, and cases are made from highly stable quality plywood faced with beautiful/high quality thing wood such as mahogany veneer. The inside might also be covered with veneer and or cloth or other protective padding.

Line the inside with some kind of soft cloth or padding to protect the finish from the wood and add extra padded pieces to fit the shape and support the accordion, especially the ā€œbendā€ at the back between the keyboard and the bellows..

Use sturdy hinges, handle, and especially clasps and design it so if the lid pops opens accidentally the top of the box will be against your leg rather than the other way so the accordion doesnā€™t tumble out into the street.

One way to make a precision box where all sides fit perfectly is to make a completely closed box then separate the top and bottom with a precision saw joint all the way around. This can be tricky. An extra step after separating the halves is to devise some type of seal or short splines to prevent air, dust, and moisture entering from the outside.

Iā€™ve made a number of boxes but never considered an accordion hard case. All my knowledge about accordion cases comes from my own accordion (actually two, one acquired just a few days ago) - both came with hard cases with padding inside to keep the protect and keep the accordion from shifting when transported.

I personally, on the advice of my accordion mentor (Iā€™m a beginner), called Liberty Bellows, discussed my needs with the owner who suggested an excellent padded soft case I think is made from very tough cordura fabric, zipper close, well supported with heavy straps that run completely under and around the case, pad-lockable, with an outside zipper pocket for accessories. I told him the type and size of the accordion and he suggested a model which Iā€™m happy with. Itā€™s also much lighter that the existing hard case. It was much less expensive than purchasing high quality mahogany wood and far quicker than designing, machining, constructing, and finishing a good case! Just MHO!ā€™

JKJ
 
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Thanks, I donā€™t think I was clear. Iā€™d really like to find 5-gal cans or a 55-gal drum of raw. The gal cans of ā€œboliedā€ linseed oil are fine for the small projects.

BTW, speaking of spraying finishes I once bought a plastic pump sprayer from Home Depot, opened it at home and found that some had bought it, used it for deck stain, then returned it without even cleaning it. HD told me people do that all the time, using HD as a free rental store. Dirtballs - I couldnā€™t live like thatā€¦
 
How difficult would it be to make a decent carrying case for it?
To make a case that doesn't make you wince every time you look at it takes a lot of skill. You're much more likely to find one you can adopt even if it takes some time . They occasionally appear online from time to time.
It's easier to refurbish even a well worn used case than to build a new one.šŸ™‚
 
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