……except these boots were made for walkin’…. Just sayin’. Good luck with the Polaris!!!!
New Giulietti Classic 127 or new Scandalli Super VI Extreme?
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Our conversation was pivotal for me to make this decision
The lack of info regarding the Mod. 2000 made it really difficult to decide if it'd be a good idea to fix it or if it'd be better to just sell it and get a new accordion. After all, the fixing costs are not negligible (specially given that I'll take the Excelsior to a really good professional here), and everything suggests that the new Classic 127 are great instruments. I did my best to research info on my own, but it's really hard given that the Mod. 2000 exact specs are essentially lost to history, probably only known to a handful of retired workers from CEMEX. The importance of the opinion of someone as knowledgeable as you cannot be overstated. Thank you very much, Ventura!
As soon as the Excelsior is ready, I'll post some pics of it in this thread. Least I can do. Hopefully it'll be as good as I expect it to be.
Finally, just out of curiosity, Ventura: do you believe that the educated guesses made are reasonable? Or they're far fetched/need adjustments? As hard at it is, I'd like to know my accordion and its history as much as I can. Since I can't know it exactly, it'd be great to at least have a general idea solid built on the info I have
Ventura
Been here for ages!
well if you search back old threads and discussions about
CEMEX/Excelsior and how they operated in the latter part of the
20th century, you will note how they were true leaders of their
industry, proud of their products and legacy, innovative,
trusted by their peers (such as Hohner) who recognized their
manufacturing skill and dedication AND CHOSE THEM
to build the best of Hohner for how many decades?
specifically, they took great pride in building their Professional
line, including the 940, from scratch/raw materials on
premises and put a tremendous effort into making this so..
this is why i asked about the shifts, i know which type were made
by them, in house, forming machines they not only fully controlled
but oftentimes designed and built specific to a purpose
they spared no effort to match materials and engineering
with their accumulated knowledge, so their professional
accordions would be absolutely the definition of
state of the art, even if that meant grafting on a different wood
just for the curves and corners from the wood on the flats
vs: the bottom of the reedblock vs: the chamber vs: the bed..
there are others who build almost the entire body from
commonly available bulk asian mahoghany plywoods nowadays,
rather than the over 2 dozen different types of kilned woods
used in a 940.. did CEMEX understand craft that is
now largely forgotten? or is the underlying accumulation of
"why we do things this way"
knowledge simply lost to the final direct link to the
" Golden age "
which moment and last gasp essentially was when the last two
fully integrated accordion factories, the last of the Giants,
the last of the Ents, fell to earth..
CEMEX/Excelsior and how they operated in the latter part of the
20th century, you will note how they were true leaders of their
industry, proud of their products and legacy, innovative,
trusted by their peers (such as Hohner) who recognized their
manufacturing skill and dedication AND CHOSE THEM
to build the best of Hohner for how many decades?
specifically, they took great pride in building their Professional
line, including the 940, from scratch/raw materials on
premises and put a tremendous effort into making this so..
this is why i asked about the shifts, i know which type were made
by them, in house, forming machines they not only fully controlled
but oftentimes designed and built specific to a purpose
they spared no effort to match materials and engineering
with their accumulated knowledge, so their professional
accordions would be absolutely the definition of
state of the art, even if that meant grafting on a different wood
just for the curves and corners from the wood on the flats
vs: the bottom of the reedblock vs: the chamber vs: the bed..
there are others who build almost the entire body from
commonly available bulk asian mahoghany plywoods nowadays,
rather than the over 2 dozen different types of kilned woods
used in a 940.. did CEMEX understand craft that is
now largely forgotten? or is the underlying accumulation of
"why we do things this way"
knowledge simply lost to the final direct link to the
" Golden age "
which moment and last gasp essentially was when the last two
fully integrated accordion factories, the last of the Giants,
the last of the Ents, fell to earth..
In other words, in the words of the great accordionist Stephen Stills, “If you can’t be with (play) the one you love, honey, love the one you’re with.”
Hard to do, but who needs a stinkin perfect accordion anyway? There will always be a better one out there, even if it’s only in your mind.
Hard to do, but who needs a stinkin perfect accordion anyway? There will always be a better one out there, even if it’s only in your mind.
Indeed, looks like CEMEX was on a league of its own at the end of the 1990s. I'll pay the due respect for this Mod. 2000
I wonder how Excelsior is doing today under Pigini. Does the factory still remain? Are their new accordions as good as they were back then? I imagine they lost their vertical integration, but Pigini seems to have a very solid vertical integration itself. One does wonder...
Ain't that the truth?
I was mostly troubled because I knew nothing about the Mod. 2000, mostly due to the lack of info on the "2000" line. Deciding whether to invest on it was a very hard decision to make under those conditions (after all, money is money). Thank God this forum exists and someone as knowledgeable as Ventura is kind enough to share his experience and wisdom with silly goobers like me. It was only because of this that I was able to better understand my Excelsior and make the decision to have it worked on by a good professional. I'm positive that it was the correct one
I'll post photos of the result as soon as I get them. The luthier I'm going to is very good, so it'll be some time before he's able to work on the Excelsior. I'm on the line, though. Now it's just a matter of time for this Mod. 2000 to receive the treatment it deserves )>'-')>
Walker
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Pish-posh! Bid a hearty 'arrivederci' to that old Brazilian Excelsior, and roll out the red carpet for a gleaming Italian Scandalli. Picture this: a pearly white Super VI Extreme, shining like a star, serenading you with the sweetest of reeds. It's an offer too tempting to ignore!
