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Tianshuo digital accordion???

Well what I bought is a Bayan with 80 bass buttons. It cost me ￥9688 (≈$1,363). The manufacturer promised 5 years of warranty.
All I want is practicing with no noise and this one satisfies me.
It has a built-in Lithium battery and can support 5+ hours of playing each charge (using headphones).
It has all common accordion sounds I've ever heard and some non-accordion ones as well such as piano, guitar, drums and some Chinese traditional instruments like Erhu and even Beijing opera...
Though I guess a crazy fan of electronic music won't be satisfied with its sound effects. It uses a software source BTW.

If you have further questions, just reply. Let's explore it together!

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Cool, looks like kind of a stripped down Roland. Hopefully this will lead to the “low priced” entry level digital available to all.... We can hope…..
 
Looks nice. I've always wondered why Chinese manufactures haven't got into the digital accordions yet .. it feels like it's something they could really excel in. But maybe there is just not enough demand in the market..
 
I don't see ay MIDI in/out, but I do see a L/R output and an earphone/headphone jack. No idea about the internal speakers... I will guess and say yes because of the volume output knob (ps: I do not read Chinese... lol).

It does have a USB socket, that could be for firmware updates, sound updates and possibly an interface for a MIDI in/out dongle?
 
dear Mr. Hyde,

one test you could do and report on perhaps

some morning first play a song you know well on your
favorite acoustic accordion/Bayan..
play it twice..

next, pick up the Tian and do NOT turn it on but
just "play" the same song for a minute or two

now tell us how it FEELS as compared to your acoustic
 
xingfan1227 said:
Looks nice. I've always wondered why Chinese manufactures haven't got into the digital accordions yet .. it feels like it's something they could really excel in. But maybe there is just not enough demand in the market..
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I agree. There's not so much demand. I asked several Roland stores around me and they are not insterested in selling V accordions in China.
But on the other hand, Roland is kind of a high-end brand in this area, at least when it comes to the price... So entry level ones shoud have market potential. I talked to Tianshuo's boss earlier and he told me developping it is way harder and more expensive than they assumed. Took them 6 years.
 
JerryPH said:
I don't see ay MIDI in/out, but I do see a L/R output and an earphone/headphone jack. No idea about the internal speakers... I will guess and say yes because of the volume output knob (ps: I do not read Chinese... lol).

It does have a USB socket, that could be for firmware updates, sound updates and possibly an interface for a MIDI in/out dongle?
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The manual doesn't mention midi. It's for playing accompaniment.
BTW it also supports playing via bluetooth.
 
Ventura said:
dear Mr. Hyde,

one test you could do and report on perhaps

some morning first play a song you know well on your
favorite acoustic accordion/Bayan..
play it twice..

next, pick up the Tian and do NOT turn it on but
just "play" the same song for a minute or two

now tell us how it FEELS as compared to your acoustic
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Hello Ventura.
Insteresting test. Let me guess: you want to know whether the belows feels different when different numbers of buttons are pressed down?
Well the air flow is NOT affected by the buttons so it FEELS not the way of acoustic ones...
If this is the exact question in your mind, you may take a look at Roland FR-8X. And if not, feel free to reply!
 
Mr. Hyde said:
And if not,
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well "feel" from playing an acoustic for years is naturally
acquired, and taken for granted to an extent by everyone

it is a combination of how the box is balanced, how far the
keys can be pushed down, how much resistance they have,
how fast they return, and yes how the bellows feel for
pressure and resistance

so the test i suggested would have, at best, you saying
it kinda feels pretty much the same.. familiar, natural..

which if it did would make it much easier for people to take
a chance on

but if the keys drop too rapidly or have the wrong resistance,
or as you say the bellows do not have a relationship to keys pressed,
then it would feel different, unnatural, though maybe still not bad
and could learn to like it, but not naturally endearing by it's feel

way back when, Electronic Piano's shifted to Digital, and MIDI
became their control system/code, but Digital Piano SOUND had a
dozen years to go before it finally caught up and sounded "real"..
Around the transition period, the top model Roland MIDI Piano had
88 weighted keys quite well engineered but (by todays standards)
absolutely horrible sound.. Roland had a lot of the in the warehouse
when their first true sounding Digital model line came out, and we
bought the entire stock out for less than $100 a unit.. Everyone thought
the old H line would be unsellable..

i took people who were looking for used acoustic piano's and
apartment dwellers and teens who had chops but little money
and sat them down at this Roland and had them play it
without turning it on
no sound
just play it for how it felt
then i explained MIDI to them, and how this piano could sound like
ANYTHING (eventually.. next Christmas when they could afford
to add a Sound Canvas or an Oberheim Rack module or..)
then i turned the power on, plugged in some headphones,
and i sold them all in no time at $300 each..

if an "imitation" acoustic instrument FEELS right, that goes a long way

if it feels "different.. strange" then it is an uphill battle
 
Ventura said:
well "feel" from playing an acoustic for years is naturally
acquired, and taken for granted to an extent by everyone

it is a combination of how the box is balanced, how far the
keys can be pushed down, how much resistance they have,
how fast they return, and yes how the bellows feel for
pressure and resistance

so the test i suggested would have, at best, you saying
it kinda feels pretty much the same.. familiar, natural..

which if it did would make it much easier for people to take
a chance on

but if the keys drop too rapidly or have the wrong resistance,
or as you say the bellows do not have a relationship to keys pressed,
then it would feel different, unnatural, though maybe still not bad
and could learn to like it, but not naturally endearing by it's feel

way back when, Electronic Piano's shifted to Digital, and MIDI
became their control system/code, but Digital Piano SOUND had a
dozen years to go before it finally caught up and sounded "real"..
Around the transition period, the top model Roland MIDI Piano had
88 weighted keys quite well engineered but (by todays standards)
absolutely horrible sound.. Roland had a lot of the in the warehouse
when their first true sounding Digital model line came out, and we
bought the entire stock out for less than $100 a unit.. Everyone thought
the old H line would be unsellable..

i took people who were looking for used acoustic piano's and
apartment dwellers and teens who had chops but little money
and sat them down at this Roland and had them play it
without turning it on
no sound
just play it for how it felt
then i explained MIDI to them, and how this piano could sound like
ANYTHING (eventually.. next Christmas when they could afford
to add a Sound Canvas or an Oberheim Rack module or..)
then i turned the power on, plugged in some headphones,
and i sold them all in no time at $300 each..

if an "imitation" acoustic instrument FEELS right, that goes a long way

if it feels "different.. strange" then it is an uphill battle
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Supposedly the new Korg Fisa Suprema is designed to have the bellows feel depend on the number of keys pressed and other factors. I guess we can ask Cory or wait until one is available for testing to find out.
 
Ventura said:
it is a combination of how the box is balanced, how far the
keys can be pushed down, how much resistance they have,
how fast they return, and yes how the bellows feel for
pressure and resistance
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Oh a well explained description of what I was worrying about before buying this one. Now we are on the same page.

(1) How the box is balanced:
Generally it is way lighter than what it tries to 'imitate' - an acoustic Bayan with 80 base buttons usually weighs about 10kg but the Tianshuo digital one weighs about 6kg. So you will absolutely feel the difference when it comes to how it 'pushes' you. If I have to describe its balance, I'd say not bad.

(2) How far the keys can be pushed down:
Quite similar to an acoustic one.
This is not surprising because this may be the easiest point.

(3) How much resistance they have:
In general quite similar to an acoustic one but I can feel some difference. On an acoustic one, when I press a key down (especially a bass button), I can feel some 'unsmoothness' which should come from the friction from the complicated mechanics system.

(4) How fast they return:
Maybe a little faster than an acoustic one.

(5) How the bellows feel for pressure and resistance:
So different, as I replied earlier.
I've got used to push or pull the bellows harder when pressing more buttons because more air flow is needed to keep the volume at this point on an acoustic one. But this is not necessary on a digital one (except something like Roland FR-8XB) and sometimes even causes unexpected effects.
 
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By the way, what's the most recommended way of uploading a video in this forum? A youtube link maybe?
I've recorded some pieces of video which can show you it's sound effects.
 
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