What Tuner & Suitable Tuning Bellows

[boxplayer4000]

http://www.talkingreeds.com

The debate on the toxicity of talkingreeds is becoming as ludicrous as the European Referendum discussions!
The person getting a warning from BT Parental Control and the other getting the gobbledygook, including references to medical pills says it all.

BT have nothing to do with the site. I am with EE, use a Mac and the site is hosted by a small, but well respected, Swedish firm who are considered world class in their field, mostly internet marketing.
To offset some of the cost I allow them to make some revenue from placing adverts on the site. Im not overjoyed about it but see no offensive material and certainly nothing to
trigger a parental control alert. I know accordions are not popular with everybody but a danger to children........... dont think so.
I wonder how many of the people expediency problems are using Microsoft Windows?

 

[Soulsaver]

http://www.talkingreeds.com

The debate on the toxicity of talkingreeds is becoming as ludicrous as the European Referendum discussions!
The person getting a warning from BT Parental Control and the other getting the gobbledygook, including references to medical pills says it all.

I wonder how many of the people expediency problems are using Microsoft Windows?

Im the one reporting the gobbledygook.

Says it all? Go on then, what does it say?

 

[donn]

What we're looking at here is called "link injection", and there's plenty of discussion of the problem in the specific context of WordPress sites. (It probably isn't unique to WordPress sites, I'm just saying that's what I see in a casual web search.) As Paul reported on the previous page, it's an invisible CSS element that you can see in the page source. I don't know how it gets there, but I suspect online advice about how to fix it can get out of date pretty quick.

The apparent motive is to get these links into search engines, and it works - if you search for one of these strings, say ... "viagra online sale" site:talkingreeds.com
... lots of page hits on talkingreeds.com. They don't usually show that text - because it was hidden - but I guess all these occurrences of the spam links raises their rating in the search engine, so where they're public they will be displayed first in the search. As best as I can make out, there is no effect on us, unless someone has a parental control filter, or perhaps something of that nature that after the fact might report that you've been looking at obscene content.

 

[boxplayer4000]

What were looking at here is called link injection, and theres plenty of discussion of the problem in the specific context of WordPress sites. (It probably isnt unique to WordPress sites, Im just saying thats what I see in a casual web search.) As Paul reported on the previous page, its an invisible CSS element that you can see in the page source. I dont know how it gets there, but I suspect online advice about how to fix it can get out of date pretty quick.

The apparent motive is to get these links into search engines, and it works - if you search for one of these strings, say ... viagra online sale site:talkingreeds.com
... lots of page hits on talkingreeds.com. They dont usually show that text - because it was hidden - but I guess all these occurrences of the spam links raises their rating in the search engine, so where theyre public they will be displayed first in the search. As best as I can make out, there is no effect on us, unless someone has a parental control filter, or perhaps something of that nature that after the fact might report that youve been looking at obscene content.

donn: Thanks for this. Ill try and take it forward. boxplayer4000

 

[boxplayer4000]

http://www.talkingreeds.com

The debate on the toxicity of talkingreeds is becoming as ludicrous as the European Referendum discussions!
The person getting a warning from BT Parental Control and the other getting the gobbledygook, including references to medical pills says it all.

I wonder how many of the people expediency problems are using Microsoft Windows?

Im the one reporting the gobbledygook.

Says it all? Go on then, what does it say?[/quote]

Soulsaver: I might have used a better word than gobbledygook. Im still to be convinced theres a serious threat. The site has many visitors with no problems.

 

[Soulsaver]

I have no issue with the word gobbledygook to describe that content found on your site - I'm not its author.

I know it must be frustrating to be informed that this crud trespasses on your good work - it is for me too, I'd like to access the content, which I can't at all.

However your response feels like an attack on the people who are just reporting what they find.

 

[the boxman]

I typed the web site address into my address bar, it went straight to the site no issues and no warnings and i managed to navigate my way around the site without any trouble. Maybe something to do with the individuals security settings. Im on windows 10 and google chrome.

 

[TomBR]

No problems accessing worthwhile content on talkingreeds.com using Linux. Ads appear on each page but are not a problem. (Using an incognito/InPrivate instance for a little caution.)
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[donn]

Sure, many of us can get to the site and load the pages without incident. So further anecdotal evidence of this isn't needed. Some people are reportedly stopped due to the hidden content, that was inserted when the site was hacked. That would indeed presumably be because of security settings.

 

[JerryPH]

Can we bring this back on topic somehow? Several pages about a site with issues. The owner is now warned and aware and can make the choice if they want to address the issues or not. I want to learn about how to make an effective tuning table... but only because I am going to start this project in a couple of months.

I saw several references to plans online, but those are links to sites that no longer exist.

Anyone have plans for a tuning table that can be worked with the legs, freeing up both hands? I can envision a setup where the table top is solid, the bellows is mounted below, weighed down with some internal weights and brought back up via some kind of pulley system. Not difficult to make something like this, where I would need additional info is in places like the table top, the opening sizes, systems available to hold the reed blocks or reeds in place and so on.

Fun fun fun!

 

[boxplayer4000]

JerryPH:
'talkingreeds' continues to receive many trouble free hits and I'm pleased to say I was able to discuss a problem with somebody in California, yesterday.

Tuning Tables. My own experience may be a help.
They can be simple or complex works of art, with legs, pedals, motors etc. They ALL contain a standard set of bellows with boards on each end and on one end there are holes to receive the
reed blocks.
My own is table mounted with the top working board over the edge of the table and the bellows fitted below. Because of the variety in size and shape of reed blocks its impossible to
cut holes to suit all situations. Experience has shown that exact matching of the holes is not necessary to obtain accurate results and my board has two holes to match (roughly) one
reed block and another single hole to allow listening to a 3 note musette situation. Air-tightness is improved with a gasket material (felt?) around the hole/reed block area.
My top board is 12mm marine plywood. I noticed when cutting holes in this thickness, unless the hole sides were very accurately cut, it was easy to introduce a 'venturi' effect which
added to effect of an incorrect frequency reading, which is already distorted due to the conditions outside the accordion. On reflection it might have been possible to have just used
a 3 or 4mm thick plywood.
How the reed blocks are held is a matter of choice. If they are held too firmly the frequency will drop considerably as the resonance of the reed block tries to approach the much lower resonance of the tuning table/board. I feel experience has shown that light hand pressure is sufficient to achieve a good result.
Manual control of the bellows, for me, allows a sensitivity I might not get with pedals or motor.
The size of board I use allows me to lay the treble end of an accordion over the board holes, play a note, and then make adjustments to the reed if required. (With the accordion treble end laid over the holes in this fashion it allows hearing the accordion as you will hear it when it is eventually attached to its own bellows/bass end.)
The height of the table can be important as a lot of the tuning can be done standing up. Tuning can be a lengthy process and standing in a stooped position for a few hours is not desirable!

 

[JerryPH]

Though standing long periods of time is not a problem for me, stooped over or not, I was already contemplating a sitting position as well. As far as the design is concerned, I am not building something that is a work of art, as I am as far from being an artisan as anyone could ever imagine, but I am a bit of a DIYer and enjoy the process.

I also read that a longer duration of air is important to stabilize the tone before using the data for making adjustments, that is why I searched out and will be using the bellows from a full sized (120 bass) accordion. That extra air from the larger bellows size will come in handy for those deeper notes too.

 

[boxplayer4000]

JerryPH:
You're spot on there. Good Luck.

 

[the boxman]

boxplayer4000

any chance of a couple of pictures. Im good at making things once i see a picture just not gooda working it all out without having something to go on.

thanks

 

[JerryPH]

If you do a google and search for images for an accordion tuning table, you get a few more ideas as well.

https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei...Bg&gws_rd=ssl#q=accordion+tuning+table+images

 

[boxplayer4000]

Heres a picture of a very cluttered tuning station. I use the three holes on the left. The two holes on the right are redundant. The board thickness is 12mm and the rule
lying on the top is 12 imperial/ approx 310mm metric. The rather old Peterson 405 tuner is seldom used. I now tend to use the smart phone based datuner lite app. which is a hands free
operation.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/taayxbv67ebm42u/TuningTable.jpg?dl=0

 

[Soulsaver]

Here is an interesting tuning link. http://www.hyperbox.org/jpascher/en/h/tuning.htm

 

[JerryPH]

Has talkingreeds.com been removed? The site hasn't been available for a while now.

 

[boxplayer4000]

'talkingreeds' is alive and well, I've just accessed it from Yahoo.
To defray some costs of running the site I allowed the administrator to place ads on it. Regrettably, for some surfers, their browsers seem to treat the ads in different ways, indicating security
problems which I don't believe exist. However on a second look at the site I don't believe the ads help its appearance or tone and I have asked the administrator to remove them when they return from
holiday.

 

[JerryPH]

Well it is up this morning and thats the most important thing, but no it wasn't available for most of last week, the entire site was down and all I saw was a server 500 error, that's why I asked here.

Is this a site that you still contribute or add to regularly?