Korg FISA SUPREMA

[CPez]

Sorry Cory -- I won't refer to the FISA as a "9X".

Cory -- out of the box, there are 120 Scenes from Korg. How are your 100 Scenes available? -- As an Optional add-on?

No Worries haha! Don't have to apologize to me, I just know everyone at Korg has their eyes pop out of their head, and rightly so, when someone says or writes "9X", Just because it Looks like (and yes it does) an 8X.

And yes John, the Organ Sounds are Innnnncredible! I was JUST the other day working with an Organ Specialist to get All the Master Organists Draw Bar Settings.

For my 100 Scenes, they are available to buy by just contacting me, and might have them available soon From the KORG Website. But Also, Kevin Solecki at Carnegie Accordions will have my sets AS PART of the Accordion when you buy it.

 

[dak]

No Worries haha! Don't have to apologize to me, I just know everyone at Korg has their eyes pop out of their head, and rightly so, when someone says or writes "9X", Just because it Looks like (and yes it does) an 8X.

Interesting. I find that the Korg with all its square lit buttons has a lot more "electronics/keyboard/retro" visuals than the 8X, and for me that is a good thing since it tells the audience to expect non-accordion sounds, like the optics of a digital keyboard/synthesizer set different expectations to the optics of a digital piano. The Evo takes the 8X design in the opposite direction. I think that the visuals of the Korg are more liberating with regard to the player being able to play non-accordion sounds with less irritation in the audience.

That's silly of course, but if people wanted rationality in music, we'd still be in Baroque.

 

[David A]

Thanks Cory - I really enjoyed that video despite being a long way from the market for a Korg. Clearly in the hands of a great player the instrument can really sing! I said to my wife "If I could play a tenth as well as Cory I'd love to get my hands on one". (The truth is I probably play around a thousandth as well as you!)

 

[John M]

Cory - Is there an option to turn the illumination on the buttons OFF?

 

[Alan Sharkis]

Typography could have helped getting Alan and me on the same page here: there is a difference between "If they were made for me" and "If they were made for me", and my interpretation of the intended meaning happens to be the second one.

Actually, I was distracted by my family telling me we had to leave to attend a birthday celebration.

 

[Alan Sharkis]

Typography could have helped getting Alan and me on the same page here: there is a difference between "If they were made for me" and "If they were made for me", and my interpretation of the intended meaning happens to be the second one.

That would have helped, Dak. But what actually happened was that I was distracted while posting. It was time to leave for a birthday celebration and my family was asking if I was ready to go.

 

[saundersbp]

And Now I'm on the Forum. If you have Any questions, ANY questions, I'm here.

Hi Cory,

I have a question about the heart of the instrument emulation - the bellows!

If you press a lot of notes at the same time, do the bellows move a lot more freely like they would on an acoustic accordion please versus single notes? I guess such things are technologically possible (at a price!) and wondered if this was a feature in the Korg.
I'm just wondering about the suitability of it for headphones practice. Playing the right notes is more or less OK for me but the bit I'd like to rehearse is the bellows pressure/phrasing with a view to practising with headphones at night time but then performing on my acoustic accordion otherwise.

Many thanks

 

[JerryPH]

The answer is yes. But so does the Evo and 8X... so not sure what real world advantage that is. Also on the 8X, this is adjustable from less bellows motion all the way to zero bellows motion.

 

[Ventura]

there would be an obvious trade-off, meaning

bellows move at different rates depending upon the number of reeds active
(the number of keys pessed is secondary to a realistic emulation of reed demands}
vs:
precision control of pressure/vacuum applied to any and every note played, regardless
of the combination of reeds or tones in play at any given moment
as such:
while it could be possible to emulate bellows > ever graduating air volume
demands of an acoustic < as applied to the bottom line of precise control you
would sacrifice some actual precision for the "sense" of the feel

again, in professional use, you get the box and immediately are doing
Gigs with it and the bellows action in no way is a distraction, then that
is a moot point
but
at home with infinite time and focusing on specific response patterns,
you might notice that "variable volume of air variable motion" is not
truly that of an acoustic

whether that "feel" might be a deal breaker for someone,
as long as the sensitivity is precisely accurate and easily under
the average players natural/sixth sense squeeze control, it
should not be an issue for the majority

 

[saundersbp]

The answer is yes. But so does the Evo and 8X

Ah right, thank you. I hadn't realised that because I've only seen people making a huge noise with hardly any bellows movement. I must be watching the wrong videos!

whether that "feel" might be a deal breaker for someone

I am probably that someone, as an amateur. I find myself practicing the bellows shaping of phrases more than the notes at the moment to make the best sound I can. Much more important to develop that skill than worrying about what reeds are in an accordion if you want to make music!

 

[Ventura]

I am probably that someone

then if you get a chance to try one, i would suggest you start
with a solo reed voice selection, M or L, as your digital emulation
will be the closest to accurate as the device can do

the bellows may MOVE very little, but your FEEL will be close to natural..
meaning your pressure and precision of control will be normal..

with a solo reedvoice, for me, from the first FR7 this has been so

the overall feel may still dissapoint you once you expand to more
complex reed-simulations, but you may find yourself smiling
more than you would have expected, solo voce..

 

[Thomas N]

I've played the FR-8X an hour a day for going on 10 years. Also play my acoustic 5/5 Excelsior 960 and Art Van Damme 80's 930.

In the past year I've played my 960 a lot more. At least three hours a week. For me personally and the way I play, there is no difference in bellows movement and I switch seamlessly between the two. Expression is the same and bellows movement is the same. How long did it take to get that interchangeability? I have no idea. I guess over time it just happens.

The only real noticeable difference to me is the amount of effort involved. After an hour on the 960 my left elbow starts to hurt and I'm always sweating a ton. I can play hours on the FR-8X without any pain or sweating. It's just - easier.

 

[Walker]

After an hour on the 960 my left elbow starts to hurt and I'm always sweating a ton.

Did you remember to unclip the bellows?

 

[saundersbp]

hen if you get a chance to try one, i would suggest you start
with a solo reed voice selection, M or L, as your digital emulation
will be the closest to accurate as the device can do

That's a great idea. There is a shop only an hour from me that plans to stock the Korg in Morecambe. (For American readers, Morecambe is an exclusive beach resort in the UK - think Malibu, California - always a treat to visit!)

 

[JerryPH]

That's a great idea. There is a shop only an hour from me that plans to stock the Korg in Morecambe. (For American readers, Morecambe is an exclusive beach resort in the UK - think Malibu, California - always a treat to visit!)

... just not as warm... or dry... lol

 

[Ben-jammin]

That's a great idea. There is a shop only an hour from me that plans to stock the Korg in Morecambe. (For American readers, Morecambe is an exclusive beach resort in the UK - think Malibu, California - always a treat to visit!)

Home of John McGuiness. Who has a couple wins to his name at a certain motorbike race.

 

[EuroFolker]

I imagine the included battery pack will last for years? And that it won't be cheap to replace.

I may still be learning to play the accordion, but I'll buy the Korg as soon as Long & Macquade can sell one to me.

The 10k CAD is totally worth the convenience of not having to recharge / replace the batteries every couple of days, haha

 

[JerryPH]

I imagine the included battery pack will last for years? And that it won't be cheap to replace.

I may still be learning to play the accordion, but I'll buy the Korg as soon as Long & Macquade can sell one to me.

The 10k CAD is totally worth the convenience of not having to recharge / replace the batteries every couple of days, haha

If that is the ONLY reason you want to get a Korg (I hope not!), then let me save you many thousands of dollars. Buy yourself an aftermarket battery for the 8X and use it for 14-18 continuous stints. If you are using a 4X, get someone to make you a custom rechargeable battery for $250 that lasts you 8-15 hours and make it rechargeable so it doesn't ever need to be removed. Saves you about... uhhmm... more than 5 bucks I'd say?

 

[EuroFolker]

If that is the ONLY reason you want to get a Korg (I hope not!), then let me save you many thousands of dollars. Buy yourself an aftermarket battery for the 8X and use it for 14-18 continuous stints. If you are using a 4X, get someone to make you a custom rechargeable battery for $250 that lasts you 8-15 hours and make it rechargeable so it doesn't ever need to be removed. Saves you about... uhhmm... more than 5 bucks I'd say?

Certainly not the only reason... I was joking about that. But it's a big plus!

I was going to upgrade from FR4x to 8x but now that the more lightweight / newer tech 9x (Sorry, Korg!) is out, the direction has changed.

 

[John M]

If that is the ONLY reason you want to get a Korg (I hope not!), then let me save you many thousands of dollars. Buy yourself an aftermarket battery for the 8X and use it for 14-18 continuous stints. If you are using a 4X, get someone to make you a custom rechargeable battery for $250 that lasts you 8-15 hours and make it rechargeable so it doesn't ever need to be removed. Saves you about... uhhmm... more than 5 bucks I'd say?

After reading the owner's manual and seeing some of the videos and recent comments about the FISA, It seems to me, the FISA is a "Cut Above" the 8X.